Funeral service only belongs in church building according to Catholic Church

In Belgium currently priests or deacons are leading forty percent of all funerals in crematoria. That looks for the Roman Catholic Church a thorn in the eye because they also see a part of their income dwindle.

In 1963 the Vatican lifted the prohibition against cremation but it still took many years before the Belgian curry was willing to accept cremation as a respectful alternative for burial. In 1983 a new revision of Canon Law replaced the 1917 Code. The new revision allowed both cremation and burial as means of honouring the body of a deceased Catholic. Last year there were for the first time more cremations (55,741) than ecclesiastical funerals.

André Léonard

André Léonard

Archbishop André Léonard would supposedly have nothing against cremation. Spokesman of the Catholic Church in Belgium, Jeroen Moens says:

“He just thinks that if people want a Christian funeral, then they have to come to church. ‘

According to him it is not a decision against the crematoria, but a decision before the Church.

“Believers do have to come to church if they want a priest for the funeral of their loved one.”

Tommy Scholtes spokesman for the Belgian bishops says that one must take more time to come together and to pray.

“Unfortunately, our official permission to send pastors to crematoria has gotten out of hand. It was never intended that our priests and deacons would have to do full funerals over there. The intention was to say only a farewell prayer.     Now sometimes we get the impression that the priests and deacons are employees of the crematoria. “

According to the Catholic leaders in Belgium prayer should be limited to the church building and not being offered in any other public building. One can ask the question what right the institution of the Roman Catholic Church has to have their parish only praying in the church building. Why do they find it not appropriate for people to come together in any place to pray with each other or to listen together to religious texts or to readings from the Bible? To them a service for god can only be offered rightly in the church-building by the priest or deacon. They do not accept that prayer services are performed in the living room or in a public place other than the traditional church building .

The ministry by a priest or deacon in a crematorium is no longer allowed from 2015 onwards. Though the church would love to see already now that everything would be done to get the people to go back to the church (read churchbuilding and church setting).

” The place for a Christian service is the church (read churchbuilding) and nowhere else .”

The Catholic Church claims that the churchbulding has always been a place of prayer, but overlook that in the early time of Christianity people came together in their own houses, making house churches. They also forget that God wants to have everybody to carry the love of God in him and to share it at home with all around them, at home and in every place, and that the own house was the main daily spot where prayers were done. They also forget that it has never been Christ intention to isolate the prayer from the personal environment of the people or have service of God only be done at a certain place of prayer, whether it be a ‘ synagogue ‘ or even less a “church.”

Inside of the Roman Catholic Church in Győrvár

Inside of the Roman Catholic Church in Győrvár (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

It’s been already a great difficulty that since last year more people opted for a cremation or a traditional burial . That the crematoria there at once also provide service to provide a priest is not at all to the liking of the Catholic church leadership. About the forbidding of priest and deacons to offer their services to the crematoria the spokesman of the crematoria says:

“That the Church wants to attract more people we understand, but this is not the right decision.”

It can be assured that the crematoria now will look for their own staff to provide for a farewell service. In such instance we can wonder how much tradition, paganism and culture will intermingle. In such instance you may also wonder how many proper Biblical texts will be applied. Or it could be that the person in charge will be tapered on certain Biblical texts and reading them in a dignified manner, shall be closer to the Biblical truth than a service in the Catholic Church building. In that case, certainly the people will hear the Word of God and so not the word of the Catholic Church.

Clearly the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments wants former freedoms in the service celebrations scaling back and let the people feel again who is boss in the Church. The Roman Curia looks back to a fully verifiable implementation of the post and wants to have complete control over the way in which people want to externalize their faith.
That “the Congregation Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum ‘now appears to regain more power by that fifth primate or metropolitan of Belgium and wants to control religious life again in Belgium to be sure that its role to monitor the valid and lawful administration of the sacraments can remain intact.

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  8. Changing Catholic Attitudes about Cremation
    While full-body burial remains the Church’s preferred choice, there are practical reasons for cremation. Cost is one; cremation can shave thousands off the $6,000-8,000 cost of burial. Another is that families can inter cremated remains in family plots, which have limited space. Some argue it is a more ecologically-friendly choice, Williams said, as less open space and materials are required for cremation.
  9. Cremation: New Options for Catholics
    The pastor explained to them that the Catholic Church did not allow cremated remains to be present in church during the celebration of a funeral liturgy. The Catholic Church has always had the utmost respect and reverence for the human body and the prayers of the funeral liturgy reflect this.
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    The Catholic Church’s practice of burial goes back to early Christian days. A strong belief in the body as the temple of the Holy Spirit, as well as the belief in the resurrection of the body, support the Church’s continued reverence for the human body. From early Christian days cremation was viewed as a pagan practice and a denial of the doctrine of the Resurrection. That’s why cremation was expressly forbidden by the Catholic Church until recent years.
  10. Cremation Ashes to Ashes
    Catholic burial practice calls for the cremains to be buried in an urn within a consecrated grave or placed inside a mausoleum. Keeping ashes at home or scattering them on land or sea, even where legal, is inappropriate to the Church’s deep reverence for the body as a place where the soul has resided, As “Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Encyclopedia” notes:
    “Cremation was the normal custom in the ancient civilized world, except in Egypt, Judea and China. It was repugnant to early Christians because of the belief in the resurrection of the body. By the fifth century, cremation had been largely abandoned in the Roman Empire because of Christian influence.”
  11. Does the church forbid cremation
    The new <Code of Canon Law> (1983) stipulates, “The Church earnestly recommends that the pious custom of burying the dead be observed; it does not, however, forbid cremation unless it has been chosen for reasons which are contrary to Christian teaching” (No. 1176, 3). Therefore, a person may choose to be cremated if he has the right intention. However, the cremated remains must be treated with respect and should be interred in a grave or columbarium.
    A pastoral problem occurs concerning the funeral Mass itself. The cremated remains can not be present during the vigil or wake service, or during the Mass, since the regular liturgical prayers and actions are designed to honor the body. The body best reminds us of that person who entered a new life at baptism, becoming a “Temple of the Lord,” and has now gone, we hope and pray, to the fulfillment of that life and eternal rest. On the other hand, ashes remind us of the corruptibility of the deceased.
  12. Frequently Asked Questions regarding Cremation in the Catholic Church
    The Catholic Church’s rejection of cremation was never intended to imply that someone who is cremated would never go to heaven. The church has never opposed the cremation of Catholics after disasters such as a plague, earthquakes or floods when mass casualties occurred, making individual burials next to impossible.
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  13. To this day, the Catholic Church Law forbids cremation when it is chosen for reasons that are contrary to Christian teaching. These are:
    a. Cremation is implemented for the purpose of denying the ressurection of the body.
    b. The ashes of cremated Catholics are to be preserved afterwards as a body would be preserved, either in a mausoleum or buried in a Catholic cemetary which is holy grounds.
  14. c. Ashes are not to be scattered.

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New platform for Stepping Toes

Image representing Xanga as depicted in CrunchBase

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On 2011/09/28 the Christadelphians could not stand it any more they had to face the many untrue sayings on Xanga websites without having the possibility to react. For that reason the Christadelphians became also a member of Xanga and started with their own pages on that platform. “Stepping toes” came into existence. It did not refer to the 1938 British musical film directed by John Baxter starring Hazel Ascot, Enid Stamp-Taylor and Jack Barty, made by Two Cities Films. Though having the ambition to become a tap dancer requires also lots of guts. {Film Stepping Toes}  Today it may demand guts, nerves, spunk, grit and courage, to say what you think and it requires patience and discipline to be able to discuss about  dissension. To accept discord is not so easy any more in our current environment. Peaceful disagreement is something weird for many. Though it should be possible to be is discord and to discuss it peacefully. And that is what that platform wanted to offer. It did not want to sow discord but wanted to solve the battle between those who did not like each others ideas or where there was a disproportionate situation.Multiply Christadelphians

Last Sunday they were surprised to note that their site could not be reached any more because Xanga had stopped giving her free service to bloggers. Some time ago Multiply also had stopped providing the free service of having webpages and groups, but they at least warned in time their writers and readers that they were planning to shut down the Multiply formula of free blogging.

WordPressOn Sunday I tried to transfer the Xanga writings from the Christadelphian Xanga site unto the Blogger site “Christadelphian World” but could not succeed. I also tried than to make a new ‘Stepping Toes’ in blogger and to transfer the XML files in there, but that did not succeed either. Therefore I tried to place them in WordPress and got them here where you can find us now.

Having the writings standing open to the public on this seperate blog is a testcase to see how many people we get to these sometimes, for many, controversial writings and to see if it be worthwhile to bring more writings about subjects where there is a lot of debate going on, or which seem to be strange in our world. For example having the Catholic Church in Belgium forbidding the priest to bring prayer services and Eucharistic services (masses) is other places than the churchbuilding of the Roman Catholic Church. I would call that Sunday October 6 news  a controversial idea, having a religious organisation claiming to have all rights on the place of prayer.

English: Roman Catholic church, Târgovişte, Ro...So it may be others threading on someone’s toes or we ringing a bell about a certain situation in the world which should receive our attention. It may be a political as well as a religious matter. There are many things in the world we should not let go unnoticed. Though some may think when we talk or discus those things which happens in the world we are politically active, which according them would not be allowed, we would say that we do live in this world and are part of it and should protect all those without a voice (like plants and animals) and those who dare or can not speak, the poor ones and those in need. We also should come up for the Creation of the Most High and make sure that people will get to know who is behind it all. The world may be in denial but alert people not. We should guard against malpractices and wrong-sayings and keep a watchful eye on the development of this world.

We would like to bring a wake-up call and in our spryness be on the watchtower to look out for the promised one coming back.

For some it may look strange we also put quotes from people and links to organisations who may not think like us, but we do believe in open-mindedness and open dialogue. We are also not thinking we alone do have all the truth and we are aware nobody can know everything. But we believe we can learn from everybody and from everything. So we do have our eyes and ears open to what is said and done in this world, where we would like to see as many people as possible living together in peace.

It is not because we may irritates some people with our thoughts that we would like to go into a battle with that person. Our aim is to let everybody see that there may be different viewpoints in the world, but that they may live peacefully together in the same community.

May we express the hope we shall be able to encounter many interesting people with different viewpoints, who do not mind to share their ideas in a peaceful manner, hoping that every other person shall be able to grow with respect and shall get more insight how others think and in what they say and mean.

We shall see how it works out and how we can stimulate each other to look more in details and to explore the rest of the world.

We thank all those people who do not mind to take time to read our musings and are also thankful to those who do not mind to share their thoughts.

Hoping you may like to be with us, we look forward to your return.

God bless.

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Of interest:

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  5. Ending Multiply relationship
  6. Xanga Toe Stepper made silent
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  8. Christadelphian people
  9. God’s people
  10. Bloggers For Peace
  11. The Universe Is All of Us
  12. The Missing Peace
  13. Let There Be Peace on Earth
  14. Inner Peace and World Peace
  15. Living Life to the Fullest

We do not have any pictures of the old Xanga website,
nor from the first try out or essay on WordPress.
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    With little interest in congruency where that was concerned, I began to compulsively use LiveJournal in an attempt to come to self-knowledge in a world that did not make any sense to me. My LiveJournal account has since become a hideous intrigue, being the only testament to my teenage years which still exists online.
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