Unbelievable what we encountered to day at some websites to which was reacted, by repeating it
The power of the priest is equal to that of Jesus Christ.
At the particular website (reacting to it) they also quote some text where it is said that
the priest, reaches up into heaven, and brings Christ down from his throne and places Him upon our alter to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man. {Catholic Mass vs Biblical Salvation}
We never would think people could be so pretentious to think they have more power than Jesus and can bring him down form heaven. Though it looks like the people writing at that website sincerely mean what they are writing. Even when they think Jesus is God they think they have so much power, not to say even more power, than their god, able to bring him down and to be equal to their god. They even go so far to consider it possible and righteous that their god would bow down for them.
The priest brings Christ down from heaven and renders him present on our alter as the eternal victim for the sins of man….not once, but a thousand times. Christ, the eternal omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the catholic priest. {Catholic Mass vs Biblical Salvation}
They even have no scruples to say
Lets compare this breathtaking scenario to what the bible says;
Who needeth daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins and then for the people, for this he did ONCE, when He offered up Himself. {Catholic Mass vs Biblical Salvation}
They do seem to miss the point that it was man, Jesus Christ, who offered himself up. they, who take Jesus as their God, do not seem to understand what it meant for Jesus not to do his own will, but to do the will of his heavenly Father, the God of Abraham, Who is a singular eternal Spirit.
Though they themselves quote the Bible saying
But this MAN, after He had offered one sacrifice for the sins of man forever, sat down at the right hand of God forever. {Catholic Mass vs Biblical Salvation}
They do not seem to see nor understand that Jesus is now made higher than angels, having been lower than angels before, and now been taken up into the heavens to sit next to God and not in God His place, not having taken over from God but been authorised to act in the name of God, like he was authorised before here on earth.
They also seem to miss the point that
11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come, He entered the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands (that is, not of this creation).
They also seem to miss the point of Jeremiah writing down that this sent one from God was going to cleanse the world from all its iniquity by which man have sinned against the Most High Elohim, and that it is the Most High Divine Maker Who will pardon all their iniquities by which they have sinned against Him and by which they have transgressed against God. {Jeremiah 33:8}
It is incredible that those Catholic priests may think they are able to be equal to Christ who appeared as a high priest of the good things to come and entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation. {Hebrews 9:11}
They may think that in their temples or churches, made with human hands, they have a building from God, but they do forget The God does not like to see any graven images of Him nor other gods where people bow in front of them or which are worshipped. How then can their church be a temple for or of God?
We do know they like their churches decorated with saints and so called religious pictures.
The richness of the atmosphere, packed as the building is, with imagery of biblical scenes and saints, both oil paintings and murals, together with vast amounts of gold and silver (in colour, but I suspect real metal too, in leaf form), and the music – taken together it overwhelmed me. {Being Catholic}
writes
.They are proud to have a
Romanish practice of bringing down Christ from heaven to sacrifice him again and again in order to relieve those in attendance from their sins means the Romanish religion says that Christs sacrifice on Calvary wasn’t enough.
but do not seem to fully understand the implications of them not accepting that Jesus ransom offering would not be good enough for God and that they as priest can make such better offerings each time over and over again.
Anti Catholic, Faith writes
inhe Romanish religion, not satisfied with Christs one time sacrifice, has built alters and temples and some golden cage that they claim God crawls into for their amusement. Levites were the priests. But the Church on Vaticanus Hil has its own false priest, its own false alters and its own false tabernacles.
Queen Mary of England, a devout catholic, and with the smiling approval of the Holy Father on vaticanus Hill, burned to death anyone caught saying that Christ was not really the “real” presence in the Catholic Euchrist, or monsterance, or what ever that thing they have during their re sacrifice of the Risen Lord. Not to mention she went about to confiscate every bible the people had in their native tongue.
Killing bible believers, confiscating bibles and killing their owners, denying Christ sacrifice. This is the purest form of blasphemy and for a surety the work of the Evil One, Satan himself.
Those priests who got other ideas than the papal directions are considered the bad ones who do not have Christ (or God) in them. Rodney Stark reminds us that we will meet a great many of these
“distinguished bigots” who many are in recent years “alienated Catholics, many of whom are seminary dropouts (one of my former college professors), former priests, or ex-nuns, such as John Cornwell, James Carroll, and Karen Armstrong.” {Rodney Stark, Bearing False Witness (West Conshohocken: Templeton Press, 2016) p 4.}
Some Catholics do think Christ was not only seen as a revolutionary who defied many cultural norms. The Male Priesthood: Culturally Conditioned?” goes so far to write that Jesus would have gone
in “against Moses and his writ of divorce,
and takes Jesus his saying by the Last Supper to be taken literally
He said that we must drink His Blood and eat His Flesh (which violated the prohibitions of Leviticus concerning blood as well as hinted at cannibalism),
… After all, after his insistence on eating His Body and drinking His Blood in John 6, He allowed many of His disciples to leave and He did not call them back or explain that it was just ‘symbolic’ language. He simply let them depart to walk with Him no more.
Several Catholics are convinced that God has appointed the priests
to act as He had done, in the person of Christ, and share His Body and Blood with His followers for all time. The same, of course is true in the forgiving of sins which was also conferred on these same men. In both instances these priests acted as ‘other Christs’ and continue to do so even to the present day. {The Male Priesthood: Culturally Conditioned?}
How in god’s Name can one think that one can act not only in the same way but with the same quality as Christ, even think there could be other Christs or Messiahs than the Jewish rabbi Jeshua (Jesus, son of Mary and Joseph) who had given himself as a ransom offer for the sins of others?
They also think in the same way they can forgive sins, though lots of Catholics and Protestants say just they believe Jesus was it who forgave sins and therefore he must be God, because only God can forgive sins. Such way of thinking would totally place those priests who give forgiveness for sins on the same level as Jesus and would make them to be God as well (in their way of thinking) .
We can wonder what Catholic writers may mean when they write
In both instances these priests acted as ‘other Christs’ and continue to do so even to the present day. {The Male Priesthood: Culturally Conditioned?}
Does it mean that some of those Catholic priests believe they are some Christ? Or have the same power as Christ? This last question also denoting that they consider themselves as powerful as God because Jesus is their god, they think to be God.
The person writing under the name Scoop on ‘the Latin community’ and registered as author ‘servus fidelis’ and who believes that
Humility is the “foundation of prayer” (CCC 2559) as well as the foundation of our own spiritual edifice. Since our spiritual life can only be as good as the foundation we build upon, the virtue of humility is essential. We start with a good foundation lain upon the Rock of Christ; for if we build our house on sand, it cannot stand. (see Mat. 7:24~7:27) {The Spiritual Edifice}
Though he considers that priests are also Christs who can equally forgive sins (forgetting that it was not Jesus who forgave sins but his heavenly Father). He further writes
Cultural conditioning did not stop Our Lord from doing anything during His incarnation on earth nor has the Holy Spirit moved the Church to change what Christ established in His male-only priesthood. That which was begun in the OT Church and perfected in His NT Church is the Will of the Father and instituted by Christ Himself. {The Male Priesthood: Culturally Conditioned?}
Philip Augustine writes
we, the Charity of Christ do not invent our own faith–which is what someone is doing with “I” statements. We receive it from God, and we do so through the Church that Christ founded. Many will reject this sentiment, but it is because just like the Hebrews in the desert calling to go back to Pharaoh, they prefer the chains of slavery–the chains of the world–rather than the liberation of the God the Father Almighty.
On which Jamie Carter reacts
Jesus chose twelve men, mostly from around the Galilee, mostly fisherman, though one was a tax collector and a doctor, I think. They were all Jewish. If you’re saying that because Jesus chose men that only men may serve as priests, then you need to remember that he chose Jewish Galileans who spoke with distinctive accents. If you’re saying it’s not necessary that priests be Jewish Galileans with accents, then I’d agree that it’s not necessary that they be men either.
Grandpa Zeke finds
to insist that the priesthood is limited to males, as the Catholic Church does, is not limiting the power of God’s word and is possible to implement, no matter the ethnicity or language of the priest.
God himself differentiates between men and women, in Genesis 2 for instance. It might be worth a re-read of Gen 2 in light of this discussion. This does not demean women, it merely faces the reality, both physically and spiritual, that God created men and women equally in His image, but different. (We are not all clones of each other, every individual human being is different and still a child of God made in his image.)
But the priests also made in the image of God may not consider themselves to be Christs nor to be equal to Christ and most of all certainly not to be equal to God.
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Additional reading
- When not seeing or not finding a biblically sound church
- Which Christian sect is the only true Christian church?
- Not everyone in the churches of Christ are “ungodly”
- Church has to grow through witness, not by proselytism
- Hello America and atheists
- Engaging the enemy
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Further reading
- Who Is Melchizedek | Bible Question
- Jesus Christ’s High Priesthood was of the Order of Melchizedek
- Gospel Doctrine 2017 – Lesson 25: Priesthood: “The Power of Godliness”
- Responses to Jesus Christ’s High Priesthood
- What is your vocation?
- “Lord Jesus, Grant Us More Priests!” – Homily by Fr. Nathan
- Ordinations, or the lack thereof – an update
- Ordinations: Good men so happy to be of service to the Holy Family
- Are All Christians Priests? The Biblical Evidence for Priests Separate from the Laity
- Jesus & triple-taps on a priest’s day off
- Catholic Priest By the Side of Congressman Scalise
- Ye Shall Have Power – Moroni 2:2
- The Branch — Zechariah 6.
- A Friar Life: Fr. Joe
- original therapy
- Abram and Lot Part
- What a difference a year makes…
- Priestly Ordination of Deacon Dennis
- Prophets have Melchizedek Priesthood
- Lines of Authority
- Jesus Overthrows a Corrupt Priesthood
- This Catholic priest’s Glock 19 target practice: Rope swinging video
- A Royal Priesthood?
- Saturday Sermon and a Special Mass
- Bruce R. McConkie Explains The Revelation On The Priesthood
- What Will Endure?
- Men Raised Up
- “The Latin Mass Has Made Me a Better Priest.”
- Healings, Heroes, and Heartaches
- Baptist Church Problems with Race
- Congratulations to Newly Ordained Priests
- 7 7 7 – Summorum Pontificum: the 10th anniversary in Lourdes. “Just wear dental guards, Father George!”
- A Heroic Priesthood
- BBC’s #Broken: 5 things it revealed about Christianity and Faith
- The search for shephers: Challenges
- Voices and Faith of Women
- Women and the Priesthood
- She’s my vicar
- Sustaining Church Leaders
- Famous Exorcist Fr. Gabriele Amorth on How ‘Smoke’ of the Devil Entered the Church
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If the Eucharist is not a sacrifice, why did the Early Christians have altars? What is one to make of Paul’s mention of one in Hebrews 13:10?
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Altars where used as tables to put the offerings on as well where there altars or tables where people sat around to have a gathering of sharing the ‘spiritual offering’ or giving extra time for or to God.
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concerning Hebrews 13:10: At the altar was (and is) the bread broken to share with those who are baptised. Those who are not in Christ are not allowed to eat from the bread nor drink from the wine. When eating from the bread and drinking from the wine there is not thought to have literally a piece of Christ in our body. Bread and wine are symbols and not really the body of Christ.
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Thank you very much.
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