Many who believe in the trinity are surprised to learn that the idea of divine beings existing as trinities or triads long predated Christianity. Yet the evidence is abundantly documented. So let us have a look at some of the evidence.
Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, in her 1876 book Old Truths in a New Light, states,
“It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’.” — (p. 382)
Notice how the following quotes document belief in a divine trinity in many regions and religions of the ancient world.
Sumeria
Ur III Sumerian cuneiform for An or Anu, the earliest attested Sky Father deity. In Sumerian religion, he was also “King of the Gods“, “Lord of the Constellations, Spirits and Demons”, and “Supreme Ruler of the Kingdom of Heaven”, where Anu himself wandered the highest Heavenly Regions.
“The universe was divided into three regions each of which became the domain of a god. Anu‘s share was the sky. The earth was given to Enlil. Ea became the ruler of the waters. Together they constituted the triad of the Great Gods.” — (The Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, 1994, pp. 54, 55)
“The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god— as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity.” — (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22, 23)
Purana or “ancient, old” Manuscript
“The Puranas, one of the Hindoo Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage:
‘O ye three Lords! know that I recognise only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.’
The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied,
‘Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.’
Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity … Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods.” (Sinclair, pp. 382, 383)
“In the Fourth Century B.C. Aristotle wrote:
‘All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’.” — (Arthur Weigall, Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, pp. 197, 198)
“The Hymn to Amun decreed that
Re, also spelled Ra or Pra, in ancient Egyptian religion, god of the sun and one of the creator gods, who rose from the ocean of chaos on the primeval hill, creating himself and then in turn engendering eight other gods.
‘No god came into being before him (Amun)’
and that
‘All gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, and there is no second to them. Hidden is his name as Amon, he is Re in face, and his body is Ptah.’
… This is a statement of trinity, the three chief gods of Egypt subsumed into one of them, Amon. Clearly, the concept of organic unity within plurality got an extraordinary boost with this formulation. Theologically, in a crude form it came strikingly close to the later Christian form of plural Trinitarian monotheism.” — (Simson Najovits, Egypt, Trunk of the Tree, Vol. 2, 2004, pp. 83, 84)
Other areas
Many other areas had their own divine trinities.
In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon and Adonis. The Phoenicians worshipped Ulomus, Ulosuros and Eliun. Rome worshipped Jupiter, Mars and Venus. In Germanic nations they were called Wodan, Thor and Fricco. Regarding the Celts, one source states,
“The ancient heathen deities of the pagan Irish, Criosan, Biosena, and Seeva, or Sheeva, are doubtless the Creeshna [Krishna], Veeshnu [Vishnu], [or the all-inclusive] Brahma, and Seeva [Shiva], of the Hindoos.” — (Thomas Maurice, The History of Hindostan, Vol. 2, 1798, p. 171)
Arthur Edward Pearse Brome Weigall, English Egyptologist, stage designer, journalist and author, at the Temple of Edfu, before 1913
The deception is beautifully seen by the astonishing admission of Arthur Weigall who himself is a Trinitarian. Egyptologist Arthur Weigall summed up the influence of ancient beliefs on the adoption of the trinity doctrine by the Catholic Church in the following excerpt from his book:
“It must not be forgotten that Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon [the Trinity], and nowhere in the New Testament does the word ‘Trinity’ appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord; and the origin of the conception is entirely pagan …
The ancient Egyptians, whose influence on early religious thought was profound, usually arranged their gods or goddesses in trinities: there was the trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, the trinity of Amen, Mut, and Khonsu, the trinity of Khnum, Satis, and Anukis, and so forth …
The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the mysterious and undefined existence of the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One …The application of this old pagan conception of a Trinity to Christian theology was made possible by the recognition of the Holy Spirit as the required third ‘Person,’ co-equal with the other ‘Persons’…The idea of the Spirit being co-equal with God was not generally recognised until the second half of the Fourth Century A.D… . In the year 381 the Council of Constantinople added to the earlier Nicene Creed a description of the Holy Spirit as‘the Lord, and giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and Son together is worshipped and glorified.’
Andrey Davidson, Kingdom of God – Arius’ non-trinitarian Christian theology
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Preceding
Roman, Aztec and other rites still influencing us today
Christianity without the Trinity
Next: A Father Who begat a son
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Additional reading
- Tri-union gods and Pagan, Christian, Muslim and Jewish views on the Creator God
- Looking for answers on the question Is there a God #1 Many gods
- A Triple God or simply a rather simple One God
- Trinity matter
- Trinity – History
- How did the Trinity Doctrine Develop
- History of the acceptance of a three-in-one God
- Altered to fit a Trinity
- The Trinity – the truth
- Trinitarian philosophy
- Does there have to be a Holy Trinity?
- Problems correspondents have with the Trinity Doctrine
- How do trinitarians equate divine nature
- The Great Trinity debate
- Newton not believing in the Holy Trinity
- Inspired Word
- The habitual misreading of John 1 and the ‘Word being God’ #1
- The habitual misreading of John 1 and the ‘Word being God’ #2
- Who Is Jesus? God, or unique Man?
- Jesus the “God-Man”: Really?
- The saviour Jesus his godly side
- The saviour Jesus his human side
- Omniscient God opposite a not knowing Jesus
- Jesus Christ being dispatched as the Figurehead of a Religion
- The Christ, the anointed of God
- Challenging claim
- Challenging claim 1 Whose word
- Challenging claim 4 Inspired by God 3 Self-consistent Word of God
- Deity manifested in Messiah
- Germanic mythological influences up to today’s Christmas celebrations
- Problems correspondents have with the Trinity Doctrine
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Further reading
- Is God comprised of three persons, or is He just one person?
- Questions for those who believe in the Trinity
- Trinity And Pagan Influence
- The Trinity: paganism or Christianity?
- Trinity in the Bible
- Shiva, the destroyer yet the preserver
- Universe according to Pythagoras – pt. 1 – Tetractys
- A Note on ‘Biblical’ Simplicity
- 1 John 5:7 And Matthew 28:19 – Fabricated Trinity Verses
- What is God’s Glory and Why does it Matter?
- Ethno-nationalism and the Christian Trinity
- In the Newness of Prepositions
- Labyrinth of the Week #2: Trinity Lutheran Church
- Oneness Pentecostalism and Their False Doctrine of Modalism
- ALiF Quotes: “Plurality of One is Duality and Plurality of Two is Trinity; everything else is their derivatives.”
- Embrace the Mystery: Does all of theology “make sense”
- The Trinity Dogma and the Worship of Angels
- The Lord Jesus Christ and The Divine Trinity
- A Glimpse of the Trinity
- What is the Trinity?
- The Trinity: It’s Not That Hard to Believe.
- Easy Way To Know God’s Will
- Trinity, logically described
- Trinity, Part II
- Unity of the Blessed Trinity
- (Study) Jesus Is God
- A Quick Stop at The Shack
- Random Submission
- Testament 26: His word is our bond
- Islam and the Doctrine of the Trinity
- Robert Wells Needs Help Responding to Muslims on Blogging Theology
- The Hospitality of Abraham: The Liturgical Witness
- Hays on Mark’s Jesus: The God Who “Walks By” On the Water
- A Dove, 3, 7, and Creation
- Irenaeus: Salvation is the work of the Trinity
- Do Not Be Anxious to Be Modern In Theology
- Testament 24: how to receive grace and mercy
- Virgin Birth (Symbolism, Mythology, and Mystery)
- Is Jesus a lesser God?
- No One Knows the Father Except the Son: H.R. Mackintosh on the Radical Exclusivity of Revelation in Christ
- Delighting in the Trinity
- The Good God
- The Curious Christian
- Misquoted Verses #1: Judge Not
- Let’s Get Lost: Mapping Religion in the 21st Century
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To understand the trinity you must understand that God is greater than human. His ways are not our ways; His ways are higher than our ways. Any attempt at man to deny the trinity using the wisdom and knowledge of man is laughable to God. The best way to understand the trinity is to think of it in terms of man. See man exists in 3 dimensions: mind, body and spirit. These three dimensions are in fact 3 separate entities; however, these three parts make up one human being. The body exists in the natural. It’s concerns are only for the things that exist in the natural (the tangible); the spirit exists in the invisible supernatural world; its desires conflict with the body because the spirit is immortal; therefore, its concerns are of immortality and all that exists that is immortal such as God. The mind holds the executive function. It is the mind that determines what direction man will take. Will it listen to the body or the spirit? Those who walk in the spirit are of God because He exists in spirit. Those who walk in body are dead men walking. The body has an expiration date but the soul is immortal. Those who walk in the body walk towards their doom; that is, they are walking headfirst into an eternity in the lake of fire where they will be no comfort, where they will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, where the worm die not. It’s where everyone who rejects the trinity will go! Be careful what you put up on the internet! God is taking record of everything we do including the things we say on the internet. If you put something on the internet you should ask yourself: am I prepared for the eternal consequences that will result from my actions; because your actions don’t just effect your eternity but it can effect the eternity of every person who reads your heretical doctrine and that’s something that God does not take lightly
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Dear Kritzle, I am fully aware that the Divine Creator is much much higher than man, though I can assure you I do not believe in a trinity but as you say probably this gives me full insight in the false human dogma, because I also believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God, where is told that God does not tell lies and is an eternal Spirit Whom man can not see, and to Whom man can do nothing. That eternal God said clearly that Jesus is His only begotten son.
By believing the bible and not human doctrines I also see clear that you are taken away by the Greek-Roman philosophy and false teaching of “man exists in 3 dimensions: mind, body and spirit.” according to the holy Scriptures there are in fact no such 3 separate entities.
The soul is the being of a person, plant, animal and human beings existence (by the breath of life). The body has an expiration date and when he dies it is finished and no soul that would be immortal. The bible is clear that each human person, also Jesus is under the curse of death by the fall of the first man.
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I’m very confused by your statement. You say you believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God yet you reject the trinity which is His word! Romans 1:19, 20 states:”Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse.”(Deuteronomy 6:4);
Acts 17:29 states…”Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.”Colossians 2:9…”For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.” “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7; also it’s the descendants of Adam who are under the curse of death because we have the blood of Adam; Jesus was not under the curse of death because He does not have Adams blood! He was immaculately conceived with pure untainted blood running through His veins. His death was a sacrifice to atone for the sins of man to The Father. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
13To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! (Romans 5:12-17)
I’m serious you should really pray about all this before you get keystroke happy; I don’t think you realize the weight your words will carry. I’m saying this out of love and conviction
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Where do you get it form that
Again you bring something forwards that is no where written in the Bible.
It is true that Jesus was immaculately conceived from the Power of god (the Holy Spirit) but in the womb of the young girl Jesus grew as a being of flesh and blood. Later in his life he also proofed to those who doubted him, that he was not spirit, but a human being of flesh and blood and bones, who bore the wounds of his torture.
Where do you get it that Jesus had
You yourself write that Jesus
though you claim Jesus to be God and God cannot die. Next you quoet the reality of what we should consider something so precious that we are thankful for what Jesus really did, doing God His Will and not his own will (when he would be God it would always been his own will).
You also seem to ignore that sin entered the world through one man, that it was also by one man that the curse of sin was brought to an end. Though yourself quote the sentence which is written in your preferred bible translation the King James Bible:
Having Paul telling us that by that one man (the 1st Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by the means of sin; and so death went over all men, insomuch that all men sinned. We are all fallible and nobody, even not the pope, is infallible.As human beings we all do faults. Though death may have reigned from the first Adam to Moses, even over them also that sinned not, which means that there have been people who managed to follow the rules of God and did not trespass God’s commandments, with like transgression as did Adam: which is the similitude of him that was born in Bethelehem, after his death was taken into heaven and is coming to return to earth to judge the living and the dead.
That man of flesh and blood, the sent one from God has really given his life (he did not fake his death what he would have done when He is Gdo – and for what use?). It was that Jesus planted in the womb of the virgin Miriam/Mary/Maria who is the gift from God (and not Himself) which is not like as the sin. For if, through the sin of one, many be dead: much more plenteous, upon many, was the grace of God and gift by grace, which grace was given by one man, Jesus Christ, and which you do not seem to be willing to accept, which is a shame and brings you more in danger than those who accept Jesus to be their saviour and like is written in the Bible accept him as the sent one from God and as the only begotten beloved son of God.
You should know that the gift is not over one sin, as death came through one sin of one that sinned, but because of Jesus not doing his own will and prepared to give his body as a ransom offering for all mankind, that it is now that he, though lower than angels, was made higher and has become to be allowed to sit at the right hand of Gdo, to be a mediator between man and God, which you all seem to ignore.
Please come to see how damnation came of one sin unto condemnation, but God His precious Gift came to justify from many sins. For if by the sin of one, death reigned by the means of one, much more shall they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life by the means of one man, the 2nd Adam, that is to say, Jesus Christ.
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I’ve did my deed by baring witness to the word of God. I’m not here to argue, that’s silly. I’m simply here telling you this anti trinity doctrine you are pushing is wrong. I did this because God told me to. Now you argue and even become inspired to write another article?! I know God and I know His people because I know Him; but you I do not know, you are a stranger who puffed up words are composed in vain.
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Who is your God and what is He or She. You say you know Him, so can you tell more about Him?
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Yes I would love to; however, He prefers to speak for himself: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRTwKflrxkQCrP1ZbbKpdP8xoQu2AXT74
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Dear Kritzle thank you very much for the link which brought me to “The entire King James Holy Bible dramatized audio recording” where I could hear the same teaching as in our Holy Scriptures that there is only One true God of gods and that Jesus is His sent one and not God Himself.
So may I than assume you believe the same as me that there is only One true God, Allah, Whose Name is Jehovah, like it is said in those recordings, and that you accept Jesus to be the son of man, the son of God, the way to God, and not to be God?
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You’re welcome 😊. No our beliefs are not the same. The god of the Quran is not my god. And I accept the trinity. I believe in God the Father, I believe in Christ the Son, I believe in the Holy Spirit, our God is three in one. “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6) I noticed you guys prefer the ASV translation so the scripture above is from that translation.
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so you, by having a Trinity or a god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit, should really belong to the polytheist religions.
The quote from the prophet referring to a mighty god does not at all say Jesus is God but is a prophesy to the sent one from God (Jesus) who shall be a mighty god, higher than the other gods like Moshe, Baal, Apollo, Pharaoh, Zeus and many other gods the world has made themselves. (Please do not forget that ‘god’ is a title meaning to be a high placed person.)
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Dear Kriztle I looked further in this matter and found out you as a trinitarian Christian really belong to Integrational polytheism: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrationeel_polythe%C3%AFsme
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My question is: Why do you not believe the words of the Bible translation you let me hear? Or do you have an other bible which is not God His Word, like we can find Allah’s Word in the Authorised King James Version?
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To say that Muslims worship a different “God” because they say “Allah” is just as illogical as saying that French people worship another God because they use the word “Dieu”, that Spanish-speaking people worship a different God because they say “Dios” or that the Jews worshipp a different God because they sometimes call Him “Elohom”, ‘Yahweh’, “Jehovah” or “Hashem” . Certainly, reasoning like this is quite ridiculous! It should also be mentioned, that claiming that any one language uses the only the correct word for God is tantamount to denying the universality of God’s message to mankind, which was to all nations, tribes and people through various prophets who spoke different languages.
Naturally for sure when you worship three gods as your gods, your god would be totally different than our God and the God of the Bible who should be the God of all lovers of God, Jews, Christians and Muslims.
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Dear Kritzle, nice you are willing to react to the sayings over here. With saying “The god of the Quran is not my god” what do you really mean?
I can clearly see that your god, being a three-headed god is not the God of the Quran, nor the God of the Jews, nor the God of the real followers of Jesus Christ, the real Christians.
In case you would mean “Allah”, I would like to remind you that that word may perhaps not be used where you are living, to denote a god or the God. In many countries though, it is a general word to use when speaking about God. You should understand that in many languages they do not use your English words, though many English people want to have it so or even think the Biblical characters had an English name instead of their Hebrew, Aramaic or Arabic names.
Jesus who spoke Aramaic also said in his own language “Allah” when he spoke about God, the same as the Catholic and protestant priests and pope still do today. The Allah of the Muslims is not at all an other Allah or God than the ones of the Jews and real Christians. The word might also still be used for a god who does not resemble the True One God of Israel, because those persons also using that title “Allah” also talking about Jesus being “allah”.
Have a look in your Bible perhaps you might find it even written in Psalm 22:1 or in Mark 15.34, and Matthew 27.46 for which the “translated” Bible says:
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice saying Eloi, Eloi, la ma sabchtani (sabakhtani)? which was translated into English as “My God, My God, why has Thou forsaken me?” or “My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?”
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?”” (Matthew 27:46 NAS)
“Eli” being a form of saying “Oh Allah” or “My God”
Problem is that lots of English speaking people only want to hear the same sound and same names like they pronounce words or names. As such we may find lots of English people who do not want to accept that the other word than theirs, like “Allah” would be the same God as their God or their god.
They should know that in many languages “Allah” is a common title for “God” whilst in other countries they may use that title and also other titles. For example where I live now, in Flemish Brabant, they use “God”, “Allah” and “Jehovah” when speaking about God. Do you think they are all speaking then about an other God? And what about those in North Brabant where they say “de Heere”, are they too having an other God than yours and us? And what about the Friesch who say “mynhear” also to God? In Esperanto we do find “Sinjoro” and “Dio” for God. This are all words which are frequently used in the Netherlands, but because they would not fit with your word “God” you would consider them all worshipping different gods?
The people who say in Dutch: God, de Heere, de Heere heere, de Heere, de Ene, de Enige, de Almachtige, Elohim, Jehovah, Jahwe, de El, El, de Al, Allah are all talking about the Most High Divine God in whatever religious group they may belong or when they are even atheists, who would also use those words to indicate God in our regions. Also when they would say “Gott”, “Dieu”, “Dio’ and “Dios” also very frequently used words to talk about God they all have it about the same figure, like those English people who use for God the word “God” or also “Lord”, whilst others would use “Yahweh” or “Yehovah” or “Jehovah”.
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Dear Kritzle having listened to the YouTube Audio’s you linked yourself for me to read I heard the same said as what others said on here, but you not seem to believe. Why do you not believe what the Bible you yourself let me hear to says?
“And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:17 AV)
“21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 AV)
“And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.” (Luke 9:35 AV)
“While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.” (Matthew 17:5 AV)
“Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.” (Matthew 12:18 AV)
“For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (2 Peter 1:17 AV)
Why do you keep to worship a man of flesh and blood whilst the God of your bible is like mine god a Spirit?
“God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24 AV)
“But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 AV)
“That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 AV)
Why also do you not believe in Christ Jesus his words and in his God?
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.” (John 20:17 AV)
“Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3 AV)
Look also what more contemporary versions of the King James Bible write, which is exactly the same what others and I believe about Allah/God and about His sent one Jesus. WHy do you reject those Bible sayings ?
“21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized. And while He prayed the heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from Heaven, which said, “THOU ART MY BELOVED SON; IN THEE I AM WELL PLEASED.” 23 And Jesus Himself had become about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was the son of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 KJ21)
“And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, “THIS IS MY BELOVED SON. HEAR HIM!”” (Luke 9:35 KJ21)
“While he yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them. And behold, a voice out of the cloud, said, “THIS IS MY BELOVED SON IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED. HEAR YE HIM!”” (Matthew 17:5 KJ21)
“”Behold My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased: I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall show judgment to the Gentiles.” (Matthew 12:18 KJ21)
“For He received from God the Father honor and glory when there came such a voice to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”” (2 Peter 1:17 KJ21)
“God is a Spirit, and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”” (John 4:24 KJ21)
“yet to us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by Him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 KJ21)
“that men may know that Thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 KJ21)
“Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”” (John 20:17 KJ21)
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3 KJ21)
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“21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Yahshua also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, You are my beloved Son; in you I am well pleased. 23 And Yahshua himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was \@the son\@ of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 KJBPNV)
“And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.” (Luke 9:35 KJBPNV)
“While he yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear you him.” (Matthew 17:5 KJBPNV)
“Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.” (Matthew 12:18 KJBPNV)
“For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (2 Peter 1:17 KJBPNV)
“God \@is\@ a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship \@him\@ in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24 KJBPNV)
“But to us \@there is but\@ one God, the Father, of whom \@are\@ all things, and we in him; and one Lord Yahshua the Messiah, by whom \@are\@ all things, and we by him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 KJBPNV)
“That \@men\@ may know that you, whose name alone \@is\@ YAHWEH, \@are\@ the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 KJBPNV)
“Yahshua said to her, Touch me not; for I have not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and \@to\@ my God, and your God.” (John 20:17 KJBPNV)
“Blessed \@be\@ the God and Father of our Lord Yahshua the Messiah, which according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again to a lively hope by the resurrection of Yahshua the Messiah from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3 KJBPNV)
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“21 ¶ Now it came about that when all of the people were being baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and as he was praying, heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended upon him in a bodily shape like a dove, and a voice came from heaven, that said, You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased. 23 Now when he began his ministry Jesus was about thirty years of age, and was thought to be the son of Joseph, who was the son in law of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 KJV_2011)
“And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.” (Luke 9:35 KJV_2011)
“While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and a voice from the cloud, said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” (Matthew 17:5 KJV_2011)
“Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he will bring righteousness to the Gentiles.” (Matthew 12:18 KJV_2011)
“For he received honor and glory from God the Father, when a voice came to him from the sublime glory, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (2 Peter 1:17 KJV_2011)
“God is a Spirit: and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24 KJV_2011)
“Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV_2011)
“” (Psalms 83:18 KJV_2011)
“Jesus then said, do not cling to me; for I have not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and tell them, I am ascending to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17 KJV_2011)
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who in his great mercy has caused us to be born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1 Peter 1:3 KJV_2011)
And than I did not quote from the original King James version, which again says exactly the same what we do believe, but you seem to reject in favour of human doctrine.
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It is love you say
The same we, out of love for those around us, we want to show the world the Way to God, who is Jesus the Messiah, the son of man and son of God who gave his precious life for mankind, putting his own will aside, doing the Will of God.
We too want to do the Will of God and therefore prefer to keep to the Biblical teachings instead of false human doctrines like the Trinity. Perhaps you better should take more time to read the Bible with having your doctrinal ideas put aside, so that you can let the Word of God come into your mind. So please start reading “son of God” when there is written “son of God” and do not read “god the son” in such places. When there is written “Jesus” in the Bible read and think about Jesus and do not replace his name with “God”.
With all our love, wishing that God may bless you and help you in your quest about the Truth.
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kriztle34,
You should not be confused by my statement, for the simple reason that I believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God where nothing is said about a or the trinity. You claim to be it in God His Word, so I would love to see the places where it is written. All the quotes you brought forward do not say such a thing at all that Jesus would be God.
You also seem to forget what the task was Jesus got from his heavenly Father. You also seem to overlook that when a person gets born form someone he or she has qualities from the father and the mother, and as such Jesus had or has qualities of God and of his earthly mother. Jesus also told us that he came to make it clear Who God is and what He expect from us. Jesus did not come to declare himself, but to declare the Only One true God, the God of Israel.
You quote the apostle Paul saying in his letter to the Romans 1:19, 20 states:
but this is not exactly what is written in the Bible, to which we may not add or alter words. I can find in the Bible
This verse talks about God Who can be seen in nature. There we can see The Power of God at work, though man can not see God and live. It also states that God is invisible, which you seem to forget. Jesus was seen by many, who all did not fall death. There where even a few who came out of the dead, when they heard Jesus calling for them.
You should know that here the apostle refers to man who should be able by taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, to see what their eyes as such can’t see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of God His Divine Being. So nobody has a good excuse to say he or she did not know God or could not help it to have taken a wrong god, like you seem to take Jesus as your god.
Again you seem not to understand the full essence of what the Bible says in Luke his work on the Acts of the apostles, where that passage says that if we are the God-created, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to think we could hire a sculptor to chisel a god out of stone for us, (like so many name Christians make pictures of their god Jesus and of whom they call God the Father, though no pictures may be made of God) does it?
Look also at other parts in Scriptures which make it perhaps more clear for you what is spoken about and why it is so important only to worship One God and not a three-godhead, you believe in.
Jesus to his disciples showed his wounds saying that he is not a ghost. In case he is God that would again have been a lie than. but Jesus as well his disciples did know very well that Jesus is not God. Jesus’ disciples asked their followers to come to believe in that sent one from God.
I can only pray and hope that once you shall come to see who Jesus is and what for grands he has done for you and me and all people in the world. I sincerely hope you shall one day come ot understand that Jesus is the Way to God and that you shall come to believe in him.
I hope one day you shall come to walk in the faith, not wanting to be any more of the world, but willing to be of God
and that you do not have to have a god that was seen by many, nor would have graven images of your god, in front you might bow down or pray, but shall come to pray to whom Jesus told the world to pray to: the Heavenly Father and Only One God Who is One
Please also think about following verses from the Bible:
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Thank you very much for replying to our writing. As you write
We do not present heretical doctrines, though you in your reaction seem to have many heretical and human doctrines uttered.
We offer the public biblical doctrines and warn them for the human doctrines and false teachings, may they be in Christendom or in any other religion.
We are fully aware of the importance of the task the master teacher Jeshua (Jesus Christ) has given his followers. We as followers of Christ Jesus have the task to preach the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God but also to show the people the Way to God. Jesus, the sent one from God is the one people should come to believe. They should not believe all those false human doctrines, but should keep to the Biblical doctrines and accept Jesus, the son of man and son of God, being the authorised one from God, who is our Messiah or the Kristos (Christ) and the only one by whom we received the grace of salvation and can find the way to the small gate to the Kingdom of God. In him people should come to believe. A pity you are not yet in that stadium to believe what the Bible says about that special man, who is the only begotten beloved son of God.
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The Bible, God’s Word, proclaims that there is ONE God (Deuteronomy 6:4), Who has revealed Himself to mankind in three distinct Persons; namely, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Although the term “Trinity” is not found in the Scriptures, the word “Godhead” most certainly is — in 3 places!
Romans 1:19, 20 states…
“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse.”
Some people (such as Muslims) foolishly claim that belief in a Godhead (aka, Trinity) means worship of three gods (polytheism). This simply reflects their woeful ignorance of the Word of God. The LORD our God is ONE Lord (Deuteronomy 6:4); but He does exist in three Persons, i.e., a Trinity.
Acts 17:29 states…
“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.”
Colossians 2:9…
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.”
1st John 5:7 is in the Original Greek. If there were no other verse of the King James Bible testifying of the Godhead, 1st John 5:7 would be enough for any Bible-believer to know that God exists in three Persons — the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7
Now if you have a modern corrupt bible, then you won’t find 1st John 5:7 correctly rendered. I went out and bought a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus” (or Received Text). It contains 1st John 5:7 just as the King James Bible faithfully renders. The translators of the King James Bible rejected certain manuscripts as heretical. The manuscripts which they did accept became know as the “Received Text.”
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You write
but there is nowhere in the Bible said such a thing that the godhead would exist out of three. You yourself quote the essence of the Godhead that He is One.
than suddenly you seem to forget what Jesus himself says:
Clearly Jesus says God is only One and indicates we should love that One God totally.
Your quoting certain passages from Scriptures make it clear you are confusing two Biblical characters and taking Jesus to be the same being as God, which is not. by that confusion or keeping to human doctrines you do not seem to see what is really written in those verses and are also misunderstanding ways of speaking. Though you should always remember the Jewish idiomatic speaking and following the thought of Jesus and his disciples.
As such you do not seem to understand the old nor the still used expression of “being one”. Today we still use that expression, but either you do not know it or you do really understand it wrongly and really think when people are one they are one and the same person?!?
In your way of thinking then the apostle Paul expects us to become God because we do have to become one in Christ like Jesus was one with God. When you take that unity of Jesus with God, to be the proof that Jesus is God than our unity with Christ and our unity with God would also make us in Christ and in God.
Are you yourself aware that you yourself are twisting the words of the Bible? You a.o. say that 1st John 5:7 says
though in the hundreds of Bible translations nowhere is written such a thing and certainly not with such shouting language (in capitals). Just to quote one translation:
That passage talks about the witnesses, bringing us a “triple testimony” (if you would like) “For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.” (1 John 5:8 ASV)
and tells us that
/three that testify and three that agree/ like all should become one like the Father is in Christ and Jesus wants to be in God, but all in them too, that the world may believe that God had send Jesus, what you do not seem to believe, because you think it is God Himself Who came down to earth.
We might have some modern corrupt bibles according your thinking, but of the many versions in many languages, the paraphrased versions may confuse lots of people, but the literal translations are very clear and should be very clear for those who are willing to accept the words like they are printed, and not think other words or names than there are pointed at.
You write “you won’t find 1st John 5:7 correctly rendered. I went out and bought a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus” (or Received Text).
Though that text says
so not at all saying what you claim it to say.
You should also notice that 1st John 5:7 in the King James Bible faithfully renders
Notice also how blood, water and spirit testify and earlier God Who is Eternal Spirit and Who has Spoken (the Word) = God His Word (and not Jesus his word) and His Spirit (the Pneuma or Power of God or God His thinking).
You yourself warns us for our writing on the internet and about the importance of telling the truth, but once more you seem to write things which can not be justified by the writings in the Bible. Should you then also not have to be more careful?
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Jesus said this: Revelation 22:13 – “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”… 22:16 – “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
Matthew 1:23 – “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 – (Jesus is the First and the Last)
Isaiah 44:6 – (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) – “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”
Isaiah 44:24 – (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 – (Jesus made all things)
John 1:1-3 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made… 1:14 – And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 5:23 – that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 8:24 – “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”
John 8:58 – Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
John 10:30-33 – Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 14:9-11 – Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”
John 20:28 – And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 4:12 – “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Acts 20:28 – (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 – (Jesus’ blood purchased us)
Philippians 2:5-7 – Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Colossians 2:9 – For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily
1 Timothy 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Titus 2:13 – looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
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It was so nice of you to bring up such an important matter. Therefore we do hope you do not mind that we made use of your reaction to write an other article at our Lifestyle magazine From Guestwriters. There we go deeper into the matter of seriousness concerning our prosperity and ability to enter the small gate of the Kingdom of God. In the article we also pinpoint how we must be careful not to neglect religious instruction and authority and should always prefer to keep to the Biblical teachings instead of adhering human doctrines.
Please do come to read: Responsibility bigger than those who talk about worldly matters
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You can write what ever you want to write but when you teach a doctrine that denies the trinity your words are spoken in vain. Don’t allow your pride to lead you astray. Here’s a little quote by Jesus Himself “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” John 10:30-33 By denying the trinity you are doing what these people did in to Christ in the scripture all over again. You are crucifying Him all over again.
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Using the Pinging this way is one way to invite people or force the invitation upon them. But trust me when i say I am not offended because that’s what I tried once, twice, or thrice, but I found out that truth shouldn’t need any marketing. Those who look for it eventually find some part of it. As you did, and you try more to discover it. When people like you try to describe Trinity, that’s my cue to move on to something else because I know you will do the justice to it and do the necessary research. Tell it to the right people.
So keep it up bro, just write a “fist-bump” in reply so I can know we cleared the air 😉
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