Who Would You Rather Listen To?

Next weekend we will be looking forward to the most important days of the year for Jews and Christians.
Those who believe the Nazarene Jew Jeshua is the promised Messiah, have that extra dimension to the celebrations. First there is the remembrance of this rabbi who took his disciples in the upper room to commemorate the great deliverance of God His people.
The exodus of the People of Israel is not only the story of their liberation of slavery, it is also our liberation from the slavery of death, by remembering the restored relationship with the Most High Elohim.

As Christians we shall come together on 14 Nisan to remember the instalment of the New Covenant, and the opening of the narrow gate to the Kingdom of God, to join God’s chosen People. Christians and Jews should learn the same lessons from their Holy Scriptures and go out into the world to show the Master Hand of the Most High to all around them.

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Additional reading:

  1. Jeshua or Jesus the Christ or Messiah
  2. Are the Jews really God’s Chosen People
  3. The Evolution Of Passover–Past To Present
  4. Commemorating the escape from slavery
  5. Passover and Liberation Theology
  6. 1 -15 Nisan
  7. Day of remembrance coming near
  8. Another way looking at a language #4 Ancient times
  9. Self inflicted misery #5 A prophet without a hedge around him
  10. The Advent of the saviour to Roman oppression
  11. Seven days of Passover
  12. On the first day for matzah
  13. A Great Gift commemorated
  14. Jesus memorial
  15. Observance of a day to Remember
  16. A new exodus and offering of a Lamb
  17. In what way were sacrifices “shadows”?
  18. What does ‘atonement’ mean?
  19. Why did Jesus say he wouldn’t drink wine again until the kingdom when he ate and drank other things? (Mark 14:25)
  20. Children ate the OT passover so why not NT bread and wine?
  21. Deliverance and establishement of a theocracy
  22. 14 Nisan a day to remember #1 Inception
  23. 14 Nisan a day to remember #2 Time of Jesus
  24. 14 Nisan a day to remember #3 Before the Passover-feast
  25. 14 Nisan a day to remember #4 A Lamb slain
  26. 14 Nisan a day to remember #5 The Day to celebrate
  27. Around the feast of Unleavened Bread
  28. High Holidays not only for Israel
  29. Festival of Freedom and persecutions
  30. 14-15 Nisan and Easter
  31. The Song of The Lamb #7 Revelation 15
  32. Servant of his Father
  33. For the Will of Him who is greater than Jesus
  34. A Messiah to die
  35. Anointing of Christ as Prophetic Rehearsal of the Burial rites
  36. Death of Christ on the day of preparation
  37. How many souls did the death of Jesus pay for?
  38. Swedish theologian finds historical proof Jesus did not die on a cross
  39. Why 20 Nations Are Defending the Crucifix in Europe
  40. Impaled until death overtook him
  41. Misleading Pictures
  42. A time for everything
  43. 2013 Lifestyle, religiously and spiritualy
  44. Fixing our attention
  45. Control your destiny or somebody else will
  46. Allowed to heal
  47. A secret to be revealed
  48. Your Sins Are Forgiven
  49. Slave for people and God
  50. Liberation in Christ
  51. Not bounded by labels but liberated in Christ
  52. Holidays, holy days and traditions
  53. A Holy week in remembrance of the Blood of life
  54. Peter Cottontail and a Bunny laying Eastereggs
  55. Bread and Wine
  56. Around the feast of Unleavened Bread
  57. The son of David and the first day of the feast of unleavened bread
  58. Deliverance and establishment of a theocracy
  59. Focus on outward appearances
  60. Fraternal week-end at Easter in Paris

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  • End Times Matrix News – Nisan Uprising (twclark66.wordpress.com)
    This edition of ETMN covers many breaking stories in the first hour including the discussion about the subconscious programming in movies and television about the end of America.  The second hour discusses the month of Nisan and April and the tragedies related to American history.
  • The Spiritual Journey from Purim Through Pesach by Rabbi Marcia Prager (kolaleph.org)
    If you have been watching the night sky, perhaps you saw the first sliver of the new moon last week. In the Jewish world, we’re moon-watchers, because each new month begins on the new “moon-th.” In early Spring, or sometimes even late winter, we celebrate the New Moon of the Hebrew month called Adar, the month whose motto is: “With the month of Adar, Joy increases!” Why ? – because winter is winding down, and the festival of Purim is coming!

    One month later we’ll see another new moon, which arrives in the night sky to really herald the coming of spring!. This new moon ushers in the month of Nisan, The Month of Spring: liberation from the tight cold of winter! Rebirth! Fifteen days later, on the full moon of Nisan, what happens? The festival of Pesach/Passover!
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    During Pesach God blazingly reveals God’s Self to us as the ultimate liberating power, bringing us out of Mitzrayim, and then on to Sinai to covenant with us as a nation. With drama and a cast of thousands, God intervenes in history to liberate an oppressed people and bring us into freedom.

    We escape from slavery, and trek into the wilderness of Sinai. At Sinai, God reveals God’s Self to us with lightning and claps of thunder.

    We receive Torah and learn to understand freedom in an entirely new way: freedom as commitment.

    We will serve no ruler but God.

    We hear God call to us: “Be holy, for I, the One Power that “Gods” you, am holy.” (Leviticus 19:2)

    We commit ourselves and all future generations to this striving: to be a holy people in a brit olam, an eternal covenant with the Creator of the Universe.

  • A Survey Of Ebionite Jewish-Christian Scriptures Regarding Gentile Conversion, Judaism, Kashrut, Circumcision, Shabbat, Tefilah and Mikveh Tevilah (paradoxparables.justparadox.com)
    “Should Gentile converts to faith in Jesus be required to be circumcised in order to be full members of God’s People? After all, they reasoned, circumcision was an eternal commandment from the days of Abraham on. At the time Gentiles who half-converted to Judaism were called “Godfearers” (Yireh Elohim). Those who moved beyond the Godfearers were called “Converts” (Gerim), and to be a convert one had to experience the covenant blade,” says Scot McKnight.
  • Christianity Has No Saving Power Only In HaDerech Is Elohims Salvation (spyghana.com)
    Christians believe the faith they profess in any brand of Christianity renders them worthy and eligible for Heaven! It is sad to say, however, that all Christians will be utterly disappointed in this because none of them belonging to the countless and diverse denominations of Christianity, qualify for Heaven!
  • Judaism (whatshotn.wordpress.com)
    For one thing much of our culture has been influenced by Judaism. In seminary I studied the Hebrew Bible, what we call the Old Testament, and had to learn to read and write Hebrew and translate specific Biblical texts. I have had several Jewish friends. So I am entering into a religion that I am more familiar and comfortable with.

    Judaism is the oldest of the world’s four great monotheistic religions. It’s also the smallest, with only about 12 million followers around the world.

  • This Week’s Torah Portion – VAYIKRA (And He Called)(terri0729.wordpress.com)
    God made Nisan the first month of the year because it was the month in which
    the Jewish people were freed from slavery in Egypt.
    So too, may we remember our freedom from the slavery of sin and death through
    Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah.
  • The High Holy Days for Atonement – 2012 A.D. (moshebarabraham2013.wordpress.com)
    As we prepare for The High Holy Days of Midian, Israel, and Ishmael, we seek Atonement through Fasting and Prayer as handed down to us from our Ancestors under The Covenant of Abraham (COA), Ibrahiym.
  • Resources for Passover (christinachronicles.com)
    Here are some of the resources I have come across that can be useful as we prepare for teaching and observing this set-apart season to YeHoVaH.
  • “Passover Seder Meal” by Tina Teehankee (santuariodesanantonio.wordpress.com)
    We invite families and friends to attend a Christian ritual that allow us to return to the sources of our past that is the very ground of our being. Such a ritual is the Passover Seder Meal.
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    The holiday commemorates two events: (1) the deliverance from Egyptian bondage as the beginning of national history and (2) the time of the barley season, a remembrance of the relationship of Israel with the land. Passover is celebrated at the Synagogue and at home. The celebration at home is a re-enactment of the Exodus from Egypt; God’s redemptive liberation of Israel from slavery and spiritual misery. The purpose of the Seder Meal and the directed conversation at table is to draw relationships between the Passover and important New Testament truths. It is vital to our understanding of these relationships that we recognize that Jesus was a faithful Jew who observed Judaic laws. It was within Judaism that Christianity was born and wherein it found essential elements of its faith and cult.
  • Good Friday or Passover? (biblethingsinbibleways.wordpress.com)
    As some celebrate Passover, millions of people are preparing to celebrate Good Friday. What is Passover and what is Good Friday? Is Passover for the Jews and Good Friday for the Christians? Where does these days originate from? Did Yeshua(Hebrew name of Jesus) die on Good Friday? or did He die on Passover? are both these days the same? Does it even matter which day we celebrate it on, as long as we remember it? We will delve in to the subject of Yeshua’s death today, and try to answer some of these questions. Keep an open mind, and let God’s Word show you the truth as some of the things you read here might probably shock you.
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    Yeshua rose after the Sabbath According to Mt 28:1-6, Mar 16:2-4, Luke 24:1-3, Joh 20:1,2
    The women came to the tomb on the day after the Sabbath, to see it empty.

    So According to these verses, we see that Yeshua had risen when the women went to the Tomb on Sunday. So accordingly, we celebrate His “Rising from Death” on Sunday.

    He said He would be in the tomb for 3 Days & 3 Nights according to Mat 12:40
    If He died on a Friday around 3pm, and was buried before Sundown, before the Sabbath started, and He rose before Sunday Morning, Where are the 3 Days? Friday eve to Sunday Morning is only 1½ Days. Even if we took the whole day of Sunday, it would still be 2 Days. According to a Friday Evening Death and a Resurrection before Sunday Morning, Yeshua seems to have not accomplished what He said He would. And I believe, that He never said anything contrary to what He did. Some say that it doesn’t matter. If it matters to you that you know the Truth, read on. And you will see why it is important to understands the Feasts/Appointments God gave to Israel. (We will do a separate study on the Feasts of God in the near future, where I will cover all of the feasts mentioned in Lev 23, including Passover.)
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  • From Jewish Passover to Christian Eucharist: The Story of the Todah (lionessblog.com)
    Scholars have often wondered how the practice of Christian Eucharist could have arisen from the Lord’s Supper, which occurred in the context of the Jewish Passover. Since Passover occurs only once a year, how is it that the Christians got the notion that they could celebrate Jesus’ sacrificial meal weekly, if not daily?The answer is found in the ancient Israelite sacrifice called the todah.
    While most people have heard of Old Testament sacrifices such as the holocaust offering or burnt offering, those who have heard of the todah sacrifice are as rare as lotto winners. Today’s ignorance concerning the todah, however, should not imply that it was unimportant to the Jews. Far from it. The todah was one of the most significant sacrifices of the Jews.

    Indeed, an old Rabbinic teaching says: “In the coming Messianic age all sacrifices will cease, but the thank offering [todah] will never cease.”(1) What is it about this sacrifice that makes it stand alone in such a way that it would outlast all other sacrifices after the redemption of the Messiah?

  • Christ our Passover Lamb (daysofdaniel.wordpress.com)
    In addition to the taking of communion, many Christians celebrate the Passover week in remembrance of Christ. This includes a time of introspection, repentance and making things right with God and man. But without Christ, the Passover is meaningless.
  • Passover Primer (boiseweekly.com)
    Passover, a Jewish holiday celebrated for seven or eight days (depending on the branch of Judaism) that starts on the full moon in April, is a great opportunity to sink your teeth into Jewish history and culinary traditions. Why? Because each item consumed during the Passover seder–a ritual feast that’s hosted on the first night of Passover, this year Monday, April 14–is filled with thousands of years of meaning.
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    In addition to matzah, the Passover seder features six symbolic items displayed on a special seder plate. While some of these foods are eaten during the reading of the Haggadah–a guide outlining the order of the seder and explaining the significance of the meal–others are there for ceremonial purposes.
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    “What better way to entice people to really think about something than food?” said Lifshitz. “Food is intergenerational dialogue, which is what the Passover seder is about; it’s about a discussion.”
  • Shabbat HaGadol (layacrust.wordpress.com)
    The Shabbat right before Pesach is called Shabbat HaGadol- The Great Sabbath. One interpretation is that “Moshiach”- the Messiah- will come on Passover, so this is the  Great Shabbat, the one before that great redemption.Another idea is that the days leading up to the Exodus from Egypt were days of unusual and overwhelming preparation for the Israelites. Those preparations  not only affected sacrifices and food but defined faith and self identification. That concept holds true today. Those who choose to prepare for Pesach and change their diet and behaviours for an entire week are declaring their faith in the God of Israel and defining themselves as Jews.
  • Slaves In Egypt? (brianrushwriter.wordpress.com)
    The religion of ancient Israel was not anything that properly deserved to be called Judaism. It was a tribal cult in which the Hebrew God, Adonai or JHVH, was one deity among many in the world, not a universal deity as the Jewish God is today. This God was easy for them to abandon, as the diatribes of the prophets in the Bible show that they frequently did. Moreover, this God was not something to be worshiped in spirit wherever one found oneself; rather, he had a location, and that location was Palestine, especially Jerusalem, more especially the Temple. How can we worship the God of our fathers in a foreign land? the captive Hebrews cried.
  • G-dfearers Participation In Shabbat, And Pesach According To Toby Janicki (paradoxparables.justparadox.com)
    Gentile believers have been brought near to the commonwealth of Israel. Although this does not make Gentile Christians into Jews, they share in the spiritual heritage of the nation of Israel.
  • Happy Passover! (jewishvoice.wordpress.com)
    History repeats itself . . .
    First there were the Israelites in Bible times, who were saved from sudden slaughter when they obeyed God by putting blood on the lintels and doorposts of their home. The Angel of Death passed over, and the Hebrew children lived to tell their great story of God’s faithfulness.
    Happy Passover! (jewishvoice.wordpress.com)
    we as people of faith can celebrate being saved from certain death when we apply the blood of Yeshua our Messiah to our lives and repent of those sins that kept us in our own personal bondage.To help you celebrate this wonderful occasion, we have put together some Passover resources so that you can be educated and inspired by the beauty of this holy feast.
  • The Unanticipated Passover Seder (ghostriverstudios.wordpress.com)
    If there are aspects of the Passover seder from which all people can learn, how much more so is this true for believers in Messiah? After all, our Master Yeshua chose the wine and the matzah of a Passover Seder to represent his body and blood.
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    The Unanticipated Passover Seder
    I cannot be considered as one of the members of humanity who marched out of Egypt and left behind my slavery, and certainly I cannot project myself into the masses who stood at the foot of Mount Sinai and personally received the Torah from Hashem, as does every person who is Jewish.
  • The Unanticipated Passover Seder (mymorningmeditations.com)
    our Master Yeshua chose the wine and the matzah of a Passover Seder to represent his body and blood. More than just learning about and celebrating the concept of freedom from oppression and exile, for disciples of Messiah, the seder celebrates Yeshua’s atoning death and resurrection while remaining firmly grounded and centered on God’s deliverance of the Jewish people from Egypt.
  • Passover: A Time To Remember (jacksonandrew.com)
    I am thankful that today, we can celebrate this feast without the sacrifice of a life for our sins, as Christ, our Passover Lamb, has once and for all, become the substitute… and with Him, God is well pleased. Don’t forget to remember or you are doomed to return to what once enslaved you.
  • The Mystery of the Passover Wine Revealed: The Yayin HaMeshumar….Yeshua said, “I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the mind of man. (Gospel of Thomas 17) (guapotg.wordpress.com)
    The phrase “wine that has been kept” in the Hebrew is Yayin HaMeshumar “wine of keeping”. The tradition of the Yayin HaMeshumar runs deep in traditional Judaism. It is the wine that will be served at the Messianic Feast when the Messiah re-establishes the Kingdom of Israel on earth.
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    Not only is the Yayin HaMeshumar the blood of the Messiah, but it is more. It is the “mystery” of which the blood of Messiah is only part:
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    next time you partake of the cup of redemption in the Passover sader, realize that this cup is symbolic of the Yayin HeMeshumar, the wine that has been kept from the six days in the beginning, the blood of the lamb slain from the foundation which has been hidden and separated and prepared for those who love him.
  • Passover and the Feast of Unleaven Bread (ourcommunityatfbcdc.wordpress.com)
    The Passover meal is eaten on the first day. God commanded that Israel keep this feast perpetually.
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    God offers us redemption through the atoning action of Jesus Christ, God’s son who came to the earth, and suffered and died for the sins of the world. He became the Paschal lamb. Under this judgment of sin and ultimate eternal death, God freely offers to all who will believe and accept His provision for us, forgiveness of our sins and life eternal.
  • The Passover Type and Its Anti-type (compasschurchamman.wordpress.com)
    The Old Testament (Exodus 34:18, 25) distinguishes the festivals by using the terms “Feast of Unleavened Bread” and “Passover Feast”. The New Testament (Matthew 26:17; Mark 14:1; Luke 22:1) refers to both of these as “the Passover” and the “Feast of the Unleavened Bread. These festivals were held in immediate sequence. Passover was celebrated at twilight of the 14th day of the month (Exodus 12:6) and the Feast of Unleavened Bread for the seven days following, namely, the 15th to the 21st (Exodus 12:15; Leviticus 23:5f.; Numbers 28:16ff; 2 Chronicles 35:1, 17).
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    The timing of Jesus’ death in the Passover season and the conviction that his death was the atoning death of “blood poured out for many” (Mark 14:24) assisted linking his atoning death to the Passover sacrifice. As the Israelite was delivered from the bondage of Egypt through the blood of the Passover lamb, so the Christian is saved from sin through the sacrifice of Christ; but Paul further adds that continual victory over the sins of the world means a continual observing of the Feast of Redemption.
  • Echoing Passover in This Worship (tbolto.wordpress.com)
    The word “Seder” simply means “Order.” Everything is done in a careful order in keeping with God’s instructions in the Old Testament or Torah, as it is known by Jewish people, and with traditions that have been added to keep alive the memory of the original Passover people.
  • The Crossing of the Red Sea- A Picture of the Process of Salvation…..Just as the Egyptians followed the Hebrews into the Red Sea but the Hebrews alone emerged alive, when we enter into the death burial and resurrection of Messiah as symbolized by water im (guapotg.wordpress.com)
    When someone asks “are you saved”? the natural question is “saved from what?” “Saved” is a verb that begs for a direct object. Yet many who ask you “are you saved” cannot actually tell you what they mean.
  • Pesach
    I imagine that the death of Jesus was still sad in heaven even though they knew the whole plan. Suffering is sorrowful. I don’t really know what was happening while Jesus was dead so I won’t try to guess here.
  • “Christ Is Our Passover Lamb” / The Message of the High Sabbath beginning the eve of March 25, 2013 (owprince.wordpress.com)
    Remarkably, the celebration of Easter, one of the most holy of Christian holidays, cannot be found anywhere in the Bible. In 1949 the Encyclopedia Britannica in its article on Easter stated the following regarding this day: “There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament, or in the writings of the apostolic fathers.”
  • Jesus Christ, Our Passover (fredswolfe.wordpress.com)
    Jesus was dead in the grave with no consciousness for 3 full days and 3 full nights = 72 hours. There is no way in Hell to fit 3 full days and 3 full nights between Sunset Friday and Sunrise Sunday. Therefore, there is no such thing as Good Friday! Jesus Christ, our Passover Lamb,was sacrificed for us and was buried on a Wednesday around sunset beginning the 1st night (Thursday). At dawn Thursday began the first day. At sunset Thurs. began the 2nd night of Friday, then Friday day; thenFri at sunset began the 3rd night, Saturday; then Saturday at sunset completed the 3 days and 3 nights. Sunset Sat. began Sunday night:Jn 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.KJV
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    If you find the word Easter in your Bible, it’s actually a mistranslation that is noted in your Bible’s margin. Most recent translations of the Bible make the correction. The correct translations use the word Passoverinstead of Easter.
  • The LORD Jesus Christ- Our Passover (zionsgate.wordpress.com)
    Pesach (PAY-sahk) means to ‘pass over’.  The Passover meal, seder (SAY der), celebrates this historic event.
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    The LORD’s supper is a remembrance of his sacrifice as the perfect Passover Lamb and the fulfillment of the new covenant between GOD and man (Luke 22:20; 1st Corinthians 5:7; Ephesians 2:11-13).  Prophecy of this sacrifice is found in Psalm 22.  The Hebrew prophet Isaiah also spoke of the sufferings and sacrifice of the Messiah, and how that sacrifice would be the ultimate atonement for the sins of GOD’s people (Isaiah 53).
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Next week  the Jewish people will celebrate Passover.  Passover commemorates their Exodus from 210 years of slavery in Egypt.  Jews are commanded to constantly remember their slavery, to remember it as though they were there.  There are several very valuable lessons in doing this.  One of those valuable lessons of this remembering, is this – G-d freed the Jews so that they were no longer physical slaves, yet they were still slaves.  Now they were their own Pharaoh and the slavery was of the self-imposed spiritual and emotional variety.  Once physically free, it was up to them to free themselves spiritually and emotionally.

This lesson applies to all people who are blessed to live in freedom today.  This means that the only one who can free you now, is you.  It’s up to you to free yourself from your personal Egypt.

We all (some more, some less) hold ourselves back…

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15 thoughts on “Who Would You Rather Listen To?

  1. Hi
    Just a couple of comments to say that I find the whole passover celebration quite morally deplorable. The reasons I say this is that it is a ghoulish celebration of the Angel of Death commiting infanticide on the Egyptian people. I can already imagine the objection – but the Egyptians wouldn’t let the Israelite go. According to the story, this is true – but we find out in the Bible why – Exodus 9:12 GOD hardened Pharaohs heart!!! So the Pharaoh wouldn’t release the slaves as GOD HI*MSELF hardened the heart of pharaoh to prevent him releasing them.
    A small consolation to this immoral tale is that there has not been one reputable shred of evidence that the Exodus or slavery evr took place. This view is purported by the overwhelming majority of archeologists, including Israeli archeologists too – for a simple confirmation go to the Wikipedia page on Exodus.
    Would be interested to hear why you’d think the Egyptian infanticide story is fit for celebration, and whether you accept that there exists no reputable evidence of the Exodus?
    Thanks
    Scott

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    • It is God Who is calling and God who allows the brain of a person works. God hardening the Paharaohs heart means that God saw how the Pharaoh was not going to give in. When he would allow him to go on like Pharaoh had no intentions to give in it would go on for ages. By hardening the heart of the Pharaoh everybody could see clear the intentions of that man.

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      • Sorry Marcus

        Thanks for the reply, but I have done serious study of the historicity of the Exodus including in sources as you mention. I HAVE read both sides of the debate, and the VAST MAJORITY of academic /expert opinion supports the contention that the Exodus story is simply a fabrication.

        As you may know, it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove a negative, however the massive efforts dedicated to finding reasonable evidence for the Exodus have been almost entirely fruitless. I find it surprising that a person as honest as yourself would think it appropriate to conclude otherwise.

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    • You may put all your trust in wikipedia. I have also written for it and I like it also and use it also to bring my readers to go look further. But I would also advice them to go and look in more reliable encyclopaedias like the Encyclopedia Britannica. There and in other scientific works you shall be able to find how some who tried to prove the exodus did not happen got proof they were wrong. Please do go to your library and take hardcover books to do your search and find writings which shall bring the story from the exodus from scientific historical point of view.
      It is beyond the aim of this website to bring proofs of all the things described in the Bible. It just would take to much space and to many pages for people to read. Now we already get complaints that articles are too long.

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  2. In this time and in the past we can find a lot of negationists, people denying something happened in the history. Today there are people who say the Holocaust did not happen. Some also say the atrocities of the first World War were not so serious or as bad as many people say now. what we can see is that in the time those people protest it could not happen, this brings in reactions and publications to proof it. The stories that happened are also told from one generation to the other and confirmed by the many memories of many people and by the historians.

    The Israelites Leaving Egypt
    The Israelites Leaving Egypt (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

    The oral story telling or recounting what had happened is used already for millenniums. For many matters which happened before the 15th century we do have to go on the stories told and on the old manuscripts on parchment, stones, etc.. We have to count on writers of those long ago events, like Josephus, Zacharia, Isaiah and Moses.

    For the event the of the 13th century BC, where it is about the the bondage of slavery to the Egyptians we may not look at the word ‘slavery’ in terms it was in the 19° century, but should more look at it in terms of today at the beginning of the 21° century where a lot of youngsters can be found working to receive wages, but which are not sufficient to earn a proper living. They are the modern slaves. The earlier writings also give a clear picture of those slaves who worked in Egypt and were free of contract after seven years. They received food and lodging from their employer. But belonging to the lower cast they were considered ‘slaves’. We should see that those people of the True God got an other scheme and were treated differently than the other workers. As such they felt mistreated.

    I do have the impression Scott, you take the word slave as the image you might get from the North American negro slaves. The were in a total different condition as the slaves in Egypt, Babylonia and other earlier civilisations.

    Before our common era lots of historical facts were given by word from one generation until the next. But at the onset of the event many people clearly knew what happened and could tell if there would have been said something which was wrong or did not happen. Certainly fro very big events people from bigger regions would have known about it.

    Concerning the event, of especial significance in biblical theology and in the Jewish and Christian religious year, being narrated in the Old Testament book of Exodus we may assume some ‘verity’ behind it. How it happened exactly we shall never be able to tell, because we do not have any written or pictorial ‘proof’ of that time like we can have pictures of events today. But even today pictures not always tell the truth and can be fraudulent. Though in history we also have seen that the lies always come into the light and somehow truth reveals.

    Crossing of the red sea
    Crossing of the red sea (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

    The Exodus, the term used to describe the liberation of the Hebrews, under the leadership of the lawgiver Moses is described in the Book Exodus, Hebrew Shemot (Names), the second book of the Bible, the English name of which derives from the Septuagint (Greek Bible) usage where “exodus” was chosen to designate the deliverance of the Israelites from Egyptian bondage and their safe passage through the Sea of Reeds (Red Sea).

    In the Book of Exodus we can find in chapters 1-18 a narration of the sacred history of the Egyptian bondage, the Exodus from Egypt, and the journey to Mt. Sinai under the leadership of Moses. The second half of the book (chapters 19-40) tells of the Covenant that was established between Israël and God at Sinai and sets down the laws promulgated for the ordering of Israel’s life.

    Since Exodus continues the sacred story of the divine promise to Israël begun in Genesis, it must be seen as part of a larger literary unit that is variously understood to include the first four, five, or six books of the Bible.

    English: MOSES BREAKS THE TABLES OF THE LAW.—E...
    Moses Breaks The Tablets Of The Law.—Exodus xxxii. 19. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

    Scholars have identified three literary traditions in Exodus, designated by the letters J, and P. The J strand, so called because it uses the name Yehowah /Yahweh (Jehovah/Jahweh in Germanic languages) for God, is a Judaean rendition of the sacred story, perhaps written as early as 950 BC. The strand, which designates God as Elohim, is version of the sacred story from the northern kingdom of Israël, about 900-750 BC. The (Priestly) strand, so called because of its cultic interests and regulations for priests, is usually dated in the 5th century BC and is regarded the law upon which Ezra and Nehemiah.

    In 14° Century letters we can find more research for Hebrew origins. The Amarna Letters (‘Apiru in Egyptian) and Palestinian 14° century letters may shed some light on the big migration of the Jewish nation. The wandering of such a mass of people could not get unnoticed and I think we may assume the many old writings on plates of stones, on rolls of parchment and on early printed material could give us some credibility of an event we can not understand or which might be difficult to believe by some, like the horror of the World War I and World War II will also be very difficult to believe in some generations time. Already today we can find youngsters who have no idea at all of the danger of nationalism and of what Nazism had caused.

    The old writings found up until now may go back to 950 BCE. The many strands preserves materials much older than the time their incorporation into a written work. Exodus thus conserves extremely old oral and written history.

    The literary unit known as the Pentateuch (i.e., the first fiye books of the Bible), of which Exodus is an integral part, was the first section of the Bible to achieve the status of sacred Scripture, probably in the late 5th or 4th century BC.

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    Please do find:

    Major references in the Macropaedia tome 2:900- and about the narrative of Moses’leadership in tome 12:489-

    Additional reading:

    1. Moving around looking for a homeland
    2. Commemorating the escape from slavery
    3. Deliverance and establishement of a theocracy
    4. Festival of Freedom and persecutions
    5. 14 Nisan a day to remember #5 The Day to celebrate
    6. Who Would You Rather Listen To?
    7. Humanities and consensus

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    • The Wilderness of Sin(joshuamcelhaney.wordpress.com)
      Truly remarkable is the story of Israel’s exodus from Egypt. When we really examine the scenes of this journey we can catch a glimpse of our own lives. Most of humanity has spent time under the rule of oppression. I too have felt the whip of Pharaoh’s taskmaster in my life, but I have watched countless times as God’s divine hand reached into my bondage and brought me out! Where would we be today if not for the grace of God? Where would our families be today if not for God’s mercy?
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      As Israel wandered through this wilderness they began to reminisce about the good ol’ days. Remember in Egypt when we sat by the fire, pots roasting on the fire. We had all kinds of bread there too. Everyday was like a feast of some kind, we never seemed to be hungry in Egypt. Now the pains of hunger grip their stomachs, the chill of the night breathes down their necks and suddenly those reminiscent memories begin to taunt them. If you would’ve stayed in Egypt you wouldn’t be in this wilderness. If you would’ve never listened to Moses and Aaron life would be so much easier right now! Who are they to tell you how to live, where to go, and what to do? Who do Moses and Aaron think they are? This is all their fault!
    • Pagan Point-of-View: The Exodus (confessionsslp.wordpress.com)
      I channeled Galaxy Quest for a moment with my next comment, “It’s just a story that was used to show the might of their God over the might of the Ancients, who were in power. It would be like us telling the story of Gilligan’s Island and then believing it was real.” I realize now that a better metaphor would be to say something like creating a movie about World War II that involved a story that never happened and then believing it was true… Or that Jack Dawson (Titanic) really existed.
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      The generally consensus is that slavery did exist in Ancient Egypt, but not in the way we imagine. The basic idea is this: there were slaves, but most of them were prisoners of war, and after they’d done their time, they were released. Slavery was a form of punishment rather than a way of life. Their workers were often paid.
      The Ancient Egyptians believed in the concept of ma’at, of truth and justice and balance. Their lives revolved around upholding ma’at and shunning isfet (the opposite of ma’at). They had 42 purifcations/negative confessions that they had to pass in order to be granted access to the Aaru, paradise. Number 23 states, “I do not terrorize people.” The Ancients knew that causing fear or terror in others wasn’t okay, and it wasn’t upholding of ma’at. People were treated with dignity. Number 27 says, “I do not cause suffering.” Again, this isn’t something you would see in a world that involved the intense slavery of the Bible.

      Slavery is a form of oppression that uses fear and causes suffering. Slavery would be in direct defiance of ma’at.

    • Know Your Bible Lesson 4: Early Israel – The Wilderness Period (924jeremiah.wordpress.com)
      Our two main characters are God the Father (Yahweh) and the nation of Israel. The major conflict centers around the timeless theme of unrequited love. Yahweh is more interested in Israel than she is in Him. He wants her to be His devoted bride, loving Him exclusively. But Israel is very infatuated with other evil gods. Yahweh knows those gods will hurt her, so He does everything He can to try and break up the love affairs and force Israel to live within His protective boundaries. But, like a teenage daughter who keeps sneaking out of the house to go make out with the leader of the neighborhood gang, Israel refuses to be restrained or to let her Father control her love life.
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      idols suddenly become a very important theme, as does the fact that Israel lives in a polytheistic world. In Bible times, no one questioned the existence of supernatural deities. The moronic notion of atheism is something many people cling to in modern times, but in the Bible, such people would have been written off as the idiots that they are. Not only was it super obvious to everyone that greater powers controlled the earth—it was also quite clear that there were many (poly) gods (theists) around, therefore every religion was polytheistic—meaning, the people worshiped many different gods.
    • Hasbara For Israel: The ninth plague-darkness ??? has struck Egypt with a vengeance… (Kahane)(jewish1.blogspot.com)
      Consider; the Jews have been slaves for 210 years. They have lived in misery and persecution. They suffered decrees such as the one casting their male children into the sea. They cried out unto the L-rd for freedom and salvation. Now, apparently the great moment has arrived! Pharaoh agrees that they shall go free! What does it matter that he asks for their cattle? Give it to him! The main thing is peace and salvation and we are willing to give up cattle for peace!
    • Understanding Before Service (thoughtsfrom.org)
      God has a process to teach each of us. For Moses, he needed to see the problem as it really was. One Egyptian hurting a Hebrew slave wasn’t the overall problem, it was only a symptom of the deeper issue that God’s people needed to be rescued. Now that Moses had learned the lesson, it was time for God to begin His training. Just as Moses was trained to lead the flocks of the priest day after day, God was training Moses to lead His people out of Egypt and into their new home. Before we can jump in and begin God’s work, we have to completely understand the issues at hand. In your Godly tasks, make sure you understand what’s really wrong with the situation. Ask God for guidance as you are prepared to step forward and serve. God has a purpose for your life. Open your hands and receive the tools you’ll need so that together you can accomplish great things because of our Savior.
    • Women of the Word: Miriam (virtuousgirls.wordpress.com)
      Miriam used her gifts to give gratitude to God.<” href=”http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+15%3A20&version=NKJV”>Exodus 15:20 calls Miriam a prophetess. She had the spirit of God in her. Besides prophecy, Miriam was also gifted in poetry, singing, and dance. Chapter 14 of Exodus details how God safely led the people of Israel across the Red Sea on dry land before drowning the army of their Egyptian enemy under its waves. In Chapter 15, what do we find Miriam doing? She has grabbed a timbrel (today we call them tambourines), formed a poem, and is dancing in a show of appreciation to God. And not only is she doing it. But she has led all the women to do the same.

     

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    • Hi Marcus

      Again, I appreciate that you take time to respond in a thoughtful manner. Think there are 2 main points coming up:

      1. Slavery conditions of slaves in Egypt
      It’s fair to say that I did think of slaves in Egypt as pretty well the same as African American slaves. However, don’t think there is a vast difference between how they were treated. Both would have been valuable assets to their masters and worth more alive than dead, although no doubt many were horribly treated. Don’t want to get bogged down in arguments over treatment of slaves. Think the bible paints a picture of the Jewish slaves being treated rather poorly, which may be slightly at odds with the writers assertions.

      2. Evidence for Exodus
      The main issue I was trying to address was lack of evidence for Israeli slaves/workers in Egypt, and the subsequent Exodus into the desert. The article sent through attempted to draw parallels between Holocaust deniers and people who are sceptical of the Exodus account. I think this is a false analogy as there is clear accounts and documentation of the holocaust. In 300 or 3000 years, there is no reason to believe that the evidence will be any less compelling, as anyone looking for evidence of the event will find it.

      Sorry, but the COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE OF THE EXODUS cannot be claimed as evidence FOR the Exodus.

      There is no historical or archaeological reference to Moses (or his Brother, Aaron), a mass exodus, Egyptian armies being drowned in the Red Sea, or mass plagues destroying the populace. In the case of the ten plagues, these alone would have been enough to completely cripple Egypt economically for decades, if not centuries. Considering that all the fish would be dead due to the rivers changing to blood, all the cattle died, (then got sick, smitten with hail, and then died again with the firstborn) all their crops were eaten by locusts, the army was killed, and most of the children died. They would have had no meat, no crops, no army, and no leader. The fact that there are no historical records outside of the Bible of such devastation is quite telling.

      Since Pharaoh was likely the firstborn child in his own household, then he should have also died in the Tenth Plague. The death of a Pharaoh due to such unusual circumstances would surely have been noted in historical records.

      I find it completely ludicrous that the writer of the post claim “The wandering of such a mass of people could not get unnoticed and I think we may assume the many old writings on plates of stones, on rolls of parchment and on early printed material could give us some credibility of an event we can not understand or which might be difficult to believe”

      Again, merely claiming evidence exists does NOT constitute evidence. The truth is no evidence exists.

      Apologists will say that the reason there is no historical evidence for these great tragedies is because the Egyptians did not record defeats, especially one of this magnitude. The fact is that Egyptians DID record defeats, and even if they didn’t record defeats, then other people were there to do it for them.

      I honestly believe we should only believe something when there is credible evidence to do so, and the weight of evidence required is proportional to the claim. In this case, the claims are truly extraordinary, and evidence for support are near to non existent. I don’t understand how you can find the evidence compelling…

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